- Huawei is on the US entity list, and is almost fully focused on the markets within China. There are little incentives for China to pivot to Western-led, non-proprietary solutions, especially when their current solutions can be integrated in intelligence-gathering operations more easily.
- Proprietary technology appears to ahead of O-RAN.
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- O-RAN could catch up and become a global standard.
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Updating slightly downwards and expanding on my previous forecast. Also expanded reasons I might be wrong with possible US actions.
- ASML has virtual monopoly on EUV machines, and have had it for a while. Incentives for creating similar technology are extremely high, and doing so seems extremely difficult.
- Even though EUV is difficult, China has made significant progress towards 7nm and 14-20nm process with their current equipment. 28nm process is already in use with SMEE. EUV is not strictly necessary, although having the tech would be beneficial.
- The drive towards frontier chip-making is the fact that older chips use a lot of energy, which makes energy a bottleneck in scaling up AI efforts. Even if older chips would use 4x more Watts per FLOPS it might be more feasible for China to just expand their grid much faster than what the US could hope to do, for cheaper than making progress in EUV would be.
- EUV litography machines are also dependant on multiple pieces of specialized technology, such as optics and mirrors produced by Carl Zeiss. Carl Zeiss is also close to a monopoly and is a virtual single point of failure for semiconductor manufacturing chains. Carl Zeiss is unlikely to end up cooperating with Chinese efforts.
- I don't expect EUV production capabilities to increase significantly beyond ASML ecosystem unless some very advanced AI system enables extremely significant levels of technological progress (and even then it is not obvious that whatever progress is made would be using EUV instead of some other currently unknown optimal solution).
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- I might underestimate the possibility of AI-accelerated technological progress and whether or not EUV capabilities are a constraint that would be solved as a part of that progress.
- Production of the tech that EUV machines need might not be as difficult to replicate as I think. Is Carl Zeiss a central actor in the space because they do something no-one else is able to do, or are they acentral actor because they do niche stuff and just don't have much competition by coincidence?
- It might be more difficult to garner up the political will to significantly scale Chinese electric grid and energy production to stay competitive in AI than I think.
- Eric Grunewald has expanded on possible ways to mitigate semiconductor scaling in China.
- US could identify specific researchers and companies that produce key components and put them on an entity list (like they did with Huawei; if you want to sell them things, especially if it's from the US, you need an export licence from the dept of commerce, which is a significant pain in the ass, and often-times you will not get the licence (although it is said that too often you will)).
- US could also pull funding from any academic collaboration that could exacerbate the issue.
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Nvidia skyrocketing.
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- ASML has virtual monopoly on EUV machines, and have had it for a while. Incentives for creating similar technology are extremely high, and doing so seems extremely difficult.
- I don't expect EUV production capabilities to increase significantly beyond ASML ecosystem unless some very advanced AI system enables extremely significant levels of technological progress (and even then it is not obvious that whatever progress is made would be using EUV wafers instead of some other currently unknown optimal solution).
- EUV litography machines are also dependant on multiple pieces of specialized technology, such as optics and mirrors produced by Carl Zeiss. Carl Zeiss is also close to a monopoly and is a virtual single point of failure for semiconductor manufacturing chains. Carl Zeiss is unlikely to end up cooperating with Chinese efforts.
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Why might you be wrong?
- I might underestimate the possibility of AI-accelerated technological progress and whether or not EUV capabilities are a constraint that would be solved as a part of that progress.
- Production of the tech that EUV machines need might not be as difficult to replicate as I think. Is Carl Zeiss a central actor in the space because they do something no-one else is able to do, or are they a central actor because they do niche stuff and just don't have much competition by coincidence?
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SMEE already has working 28nm process, although there has been an argument that there are a quite a few problems & it is not yet commercially viable.